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  The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

  by slimboyfat in

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  rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

  as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

  that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

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  Sea Breeze

  Find me any non-biblical source for the un/supernatural events that surrounded the death of Jesus, you’d think somewhere in the world someone would’ve written about an unplanned solar eclipse, zombies or earthquakes.

  @Anonymous

  Why don't you find it? It's all available at your google finger tips - over a hundred non-biblical sources on the life of Jesus covering the very things you list.

  My challenge is not to atheists who claim to not see any evidence, but it is to the few "believers" on this board who claim to believe in a different Jesus than the one presented in scripture.
  
  If Jesus didn't raise himself from the dead (proving he was God), then he is a liar, a con man and the worst sort of deceiver. And, should be utterly rejected.
  
  Heretics can't have their con man and at the same time hold him in high esteem. This is the fundamental logical error with heretics. They want the Jesus they have created, a supposed "good man" one who is a liar and a deceiver.

  Good men don't lie and deceive.
  
  
  
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  The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

  as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

  that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

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  Sea Breeze

  Syd,

  Gandalf is a fictional character. Jesus is historical and there are at least a dozen virtually undisputed facts surrounding his resurection. Old fashioned atheist arguments like the one you present here have lost their pizazz a decade or two ago and don't work anymore.
  
  Besides, my comments are not directed towards atheists. They are directed towards so-called believers who are still bound by Watchtower heresies.

  Funny how atheists feel the need to come to the aid of Unitarian "believers". Heretics are unwilling or unable to defeat my arguments. Makes you wonder what they are getting out of their rebellion? Doesn't make any sense.
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  The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

  as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

  that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

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  Sea Breeze

  I love how Jesus challenges people to think for themselves and form their own conclusions based on the evidence they had available to them, instead of listening solely to their religious manipulators.

  Then behold, they brought to Him a paralytic lying on a bed. When Jesus saw their faith, He said to the paralytic, “Son, be of good cheer; your sins are forgiven you.” And at once some of the scribes said within themselves, “This Man blasphemes!”

  
  But Jesus, knowing their thoughts, said, “Why do you think evil in your hearts? For which is easier, to say, ‘Your sins are forgiven you,’ or to say, ‘Arise and walk’? But that you may know that the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins”—then He said to the paralytic, “Arise, take up your bed, and go to your house.” And he arose and departed to his house. - Mt. 5: 2-7

  One can easily imagine Jesus talking to the Unitarians (who have suddenly have gone silent) on this board and asking a similar question:

  Which is easier, to say, "I and the Father are one in the same", or to raise myself from the dead, while I'm still dead"? Then, he arose on the third day and visited his friends and hundreds of others.
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  What are some of the JW Teachings That you do not Agree With

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
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  casey sabella writes.

  many of their teachings have no biblical basis whatsoever.

  they claim those leaders are in fact the faithful and discreet slave jesus spoke about in matthew 24. further, they alone were selected by jesus himself in 1919 to identify as this slave and that all other churches are false.. only 144,000 can partake of communion and go to heaven.

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  Sea Breeze

  

  What have they been victorious in?
  
  * 100 % failure rate in their predictions.

  * They cliam to be the sole channel of communication for God on earth, yet one of their GB leaders misleads a court by stating under oath that it would be presumptous to say something like that. Liars.

  * Dozens of doctrinal flip flops.

  * Their church is the greatest family destruction / suicide machine ever devised.
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  What are some of the JW Teachings That you do not Agree With

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  casey sabella writes.

  many of their teachings have no biblical basis whatsoever.

  they claim those leaders are in fact the faithful and discreet slave jesus spoke about in matthew 24. further, they alone were selected by jesus himself in 1919 to identify as this slave and that all other churches are false.. only 144,000 can partake of communion and go to heaven.

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  Sea Breeze

  

  In 1967, Watchtower wrote that "sudden death" was "only a few short years ahead of us" and to come within the generation that had seen both world wars.

  "the danger of sudden death is staring you in the face. ... That is exactly the case with the warning that we speak of here, and there are reasons why it can truly be said to be the most urgent warning ever given. ... It is to come within the generation that has already seen two world wars and it is only a few short years ahead of us." Watchtower 1967 Apr 15 pp.243-244
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  WT June 2025: We Are Not Blind We Just Don't Know

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  https://youtu.be/7xumqjq3zfc?si=ivcg96t4dtgze4ft.

  so this is from the brand new watchtower study edition of june 2025 which has just been posted on jw.org .under the title: modestly accept what you do not know, a let’s read paragraphs in question 4 &5: “read matthew 24:36. we do not know when the end of this system of things will come.

  even jesus, while on earth, did not know the ‘day and hour.’ he later told the apostles that jehovah, who is the great timekeeper, keeps the timing of certain events ‘in his own jurisdiction,’ or authority.

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  “Because we do not know when the end will come, how might we be affected?

  My answer: Some may feel let down, even manipulated that after predicting Christ's return on several occaasions, church leadership now says they havent got a clue.

  
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  What makes a cult (in the pejorative sense)?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  michael moore writes:.

  a cult is an organization that enslaves minds and destroys families using cult mind control.

  cult mind control involves orchestrated deception, social pressure, psychological abuse, and repetitive indoctrination (brainwashing) centering around an unchallengeable ideology enforced in a totalitarian way in a closed socially-separatist community setting.

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  Sea Breeze

  Cults try to make you form a maladaptive relationship with group leadership. It could be any group. Once that happens, the original rationale for the formation of the group to begin with is lost and irrelevant.
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  The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

  as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

  that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

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  Sea Breeze

  CAN THE UNITARIANS ON THIS BOARD WHO REJECT THE TRI-PARTITE NATURE OF MAN PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW A MAN CAN RESURRECT HIMSELF FROM THE DEAD, WHILE HE IS DEAD IF HE IS NOT GOD?
  
  Please just answer a simple question and put this issue to rest. HOW CAN YOU ALL CONTINUE TO IGNORE THIS QUESTION AND STILL FAKE A MISUNDERSTANDING OF THE NATURE OF GOD?

  (See John 10:18 & John 2:19) Either Jesus is God or a liar. Choose a position.

  
  
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  Are There any JW Teaching that you DO Agree With?

  by NotFormer in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  (apologies for the typo in the title.

  "teaching" should read "teachings".

  i misread vanderhoven7's most recent post as being the above.

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  Sea Breeze

  Yes.
  
  Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, and a significant number of Protestant denominations are Amillennial, meaning that they do not believe in a literal thousand year reign of Christ on earth. It is the dominant view in Christianty.

  However 2/3 of Evangelicals believe in a literal thousand year reign, just like JW's do.

  Amillennialism is a holdover from the 4th century due to the symbolic interpretations of theologian and philosopher - Augustine. It left a big theological hole in the minds of many Christians that never heard of a literal earthly Kingdom Reign. Watchtower exploited this theological void and it made them sound like they had the "truth", and were experts. There are countless passages that point to a literal reign of the Messiah on the earth.
  
  To this day JW's are mostly unaware that hundreds of millions of Evangelical believers believe in a "Paradise Earth", they just don't call it that. They call it The Millennial Reign.

  Watchtower used this basic truth to sound like they were the only ones with this view, and then they used their influence to dupe people into rejecting the New Covenant "for the forgiveness of sins that Jesus offered to "whosoever" in Mt. 26: 27-28.

  Without the blood covering found in the new covenant, JW's will never see the kingdom - in heaven or earth.
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  The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

  as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

  that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

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  Sea Breeze

  @SBF

  I don't believe the Trinity is refuted at all:

  God is love. Love can only be expressed in community. God is a communty of three persons in one substance. Therefore he is complete.

  God's nature requires him to be such that he is.

  To say there was a time God couldn't love and needed to create us in order to be complete, is to say he wasn't complete without us and therefore wasn't God at some point in the past.

  It suggest an upsidedown world. One where God needs us and not the other way around.